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Sunday, August 14, 2016

ORIGIN OF MAGARS OF NEPAL - III (Where did the Magar come from?)


After a gap of 2 years, there is lot of information available on internet and definitely help in more research and have better information. And actually, when I have started to gather more information on Origin of Magars, I have come across many new information and better understanding about us.
Before this I used to believe that Magars belong to Mongolian race, which is true also and same is said by many scholars. But the word Mongolian itself is too broad and nowadays scholars are using more and more specific words to refer. Me too at this point is in better position to look into our origin.
Like I have mentioned in my last article “Origin of Magars – II” I have mentioned Magars would have come to Nepal around 1000 BC, but now I think they may have came to Nepal much earlier. At that time in 2014 I have given the reasons for the same. But this time I went little deeper. According to my study the current people of Tibetan plateau started to migrate around 3000 BC from Northern or Eastern China and to be more specific from basin of Yellow River or Yangtze River. Though, the plateau was already inhabited by the people. Genetic study of the current Tibetan shows that most of the people currently residing there are migrated around 3000 BC.
The more we want to understand ourselves the more close look is required. Though, to know our past is difficult as compared to Aryans, as there is little written material available with us. But now we can still find it with as many advance technologies available and more and more research happening. May be after 2 years we have better understanding if some scholar use all the available resource and technology use to find the fact and do research specifically on Magars.
One of the surprising result I have found during my research is that we belong to Han race of China. As 90% of Chinese people is genetically belongs to Han. You can find more about Han in internet. (Though, we need DNA test to prove the same.) But if we are not also I can say we are very closely related to them, and I am sure the DNA study can prove the same. (Though, for the moment we can wait till someone actually do some further research on it.)
So, at the moment in broad sense I can say that we belong to Han race. Technically, when I say Han here I mean Han race as, Bahuns claim that they belong to Aryans. If you do some research on Han, you will find, Han dynasty which was there in China around 200 BC. Han period was considered as a golden age in Chinese History. To this date, China’s majority ethnic group refers to itself as Han people and Chinese script is referred to as Chinese characters. Further, Han Chinese trace their ancestry from the Huaxia people. Huaxia (means civilized society) refers to a confederations of tribe living along the Huang He or Yellow river in China. Writers during the Han periods derived ancestral lineages from the Huaxia (later known as Xia) based on Shang era legendary materials. From, here I have understood one thing that if we have to understand our roots we need to study Chinese civilization. With the brief Han history, you must have known now that where the Han word have originated from.

Now back to our question. So around 3000 BC - 2000 BC along the Huang He and Yangtze river small civilizations started flourishing. As there was Indus valley civilization 3300 BC – 1700 BC around Indus river. As it’s known that all the ancient civilization was first came up along the basin of rivers. If we go little deeper Aryan themselves came to Ganges plain around 1900 BC. Before they came Indus valley civilization was already destroyed. Though this doesn’t mean that the people also wiped out, people must have survived & they later mixed with Aryans. Aryans must have incorporated few Indus culture in its own.
So, many tribes or civilized societies started coming up along the Huang He and Yangtze rivers of China around 3000 BC. And, must be MAGARS were one of them. Most probably, as scholars also accept that Magars have originated along the basin of Yangtze river. May be at that time with few hundred people or with the people with same clan distinguished themselves as MAGARS. Its just like separation of joint family when its grow too big. As this phenomenon is naturally understood. But, its not sure whether they use to call them Magars at that time or something else, its difficult to say. But I am certain that by that time they were already a different tribe.
And, now how can I be so sure that we came from there. Our culture, our language, our script, our faith, our tradition everything speak for itself. Here, I have come across one more interesting thing to prove the theory. It’s known that our we are originated somewhere near present day Siberia and Mongolia. And there can be two possible routes from there to reach Nepal. In east, through Huang He and Yangtze rivers valley or from west Tibetan plateau. If east is true it will prove my theory. If west is true then we should not be what we are today, because of number of reasons.
First as I have said that, its genetically proved that Tibetans were migrated to current location around 3000 BC. Before that Tibetan plateau was occupied by nomads. Here too there can be two possibilities, before  Tibetan or after Tibetan migrated to the plateau. Before is not the acceptable answer to me because, before Tibetan moved to plateau, people inhabiting there must have been nomads. We should have been probably like Rautes. But contrary to it we have our own rich culture. Trails of our rich history, past and folkfare is the witness of it. So, it is not possible that we have migrated here, when we were still Nomads. I mean we were already a developed society before moving to Nepal or our present place.
Interestingly this theory hold good for Rautes and Tharus too. In my opinion Tharu are the first mongoloid people who moved towards the south or cross the Himalaya and came southward, and settled at foothills of Himalayas. Why, Tharus because definitely like Magars they have also taken the path of Sikkim and move towards west. I can surely say that they are the first people of oriental feature migrated from Himalaya. They must have come there around 3000 BC. Because, the Tharus genes analysis is extensively available on internet, though now it is more toward Aryan but 20% is still match with its oriental ancestors. When I am saying Thaurus I am not talking about Rana Tharus who are descendent of Rajputs. This theory will help in explain in their oriental like physical but their culture and language is more influenced by Aryans.
Similarly, Rautes could have stayed in prefer to stay in forest and hill only. Their hunting and not farming culture also shows that they would have here much before Magars.
So it’s a rare possibility that we would have migrated to Nepal as Nomads and then develop our own culture.(Unless its proven wrong by further scientific research later). Means when Magars started there movement towards south, it was already a developed tribe.
Similarly, Magars would have started moving from Eastern China around 3000 BC only. May be with other Tibeto-Burman speaking tribes, Magars also started moving from there. And may be around 2000 BC – 1500 BC they have settled in present day place. The same has been mentioned by other scholars too. Since, Magars & all other oriental looking tribes languages has common root, it also proves that, they have the same origin.
And also, its scientifically proven that Mongoliad people did cross the great Himalayas to enter Nepal even before the Aryans arrived. (Source: https://raunakms.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/genetic-ancestry-of-nepalis/). This also proves that Magars would have settled in Nepal around 2000 BC – 1500 BC. Because as I have said earlier Aryans started moving towards Ganges plain approximately 1900 BC.
But its sure that all the other Ethnic Mongoloid people who came to Nepal have migrated via Sikkim
Before wrapping up, I want to discuss as Mentioned by writer Budhamagar, according to our  mythology, Magars evolved from two types of caves, namely Pelma Khar Pu or barely dispersing cave, and Yoma Khar Pu or hornet’s cave and scattered in all four direction. Now when I think about the true meaning of it I think its true. Because, here cave denotes colony or one society. Even the names resembles the ancient Chinese names. But if you ask me I would really love to read the Magar’s mythology and hope will help in ourselves much better. Now here the question is how the Pu title is converted into our present day titles.

Edit !: For sequel (Part IV) of this article please visit "

ORIGIN OF MAGARS OF NEPAL - IV (Where did the Magar came from? / Genetic studies of Magars of Nepal)

https://laanghali.blogspot.com/2019/09/origin-of-magars-of-nepal-iv-magar.html

The more we go deep, the deeper it gets.

16 comments:

  1. Namaste Mo Ghale jat ho tra Magar jati ma Dal soor Ghale Magar Raja lekhe ko paiyo ke yo satya ho? Malai biswas lagena.

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  2. Ghale jat le bheda ko masu bahek aru khadaina Magar le ta sungure khanchha haha yo Galad history hunu parchha lig lig kot ma Ghale
    haru daudera Raja hune chalan thiyo

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    1. घले थर भएका मगरहरू गोर्खामा हुनुहुन्छ यो सही र धुप्रसत्य कुरा हो सबाल सुगुरको मासु सबै मगरहरूले खान्छन् भन्ने छैन पुन मगरहरूले पनि खादैनन् त्यो कुरा सम्झिनु पर्ने खुझ्नुपर्ने कुरा हो ।

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    2. Ghale Raja le Raj gareko thauko nam Ligligkot thiyo, Magar Bhasama LingLingKot bhaninthyo rey paxi Ligligkot bhanna thaliyo.. Ghale haru Magar naii thiye paxi Tibetikaran bhaii Buddhist bhayepaxi chhuttiyaka hunn.

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  3. Namaste Tekji, thank you for your comment & concern.

    Ab jaha samma malai thaha x Tekji Ghale haru Magar thar ma ya Magar jati ma hun x ki hunna vane malai pani nidho chaina. Yedi koi Magar bhai haru lai yesko sambandh ma kehi jankari x vane hami lai update gari dinu aanurrodh x.

    Aarko kura lig lig kot ma Ghale Raja vanne kura ta maile ni suneko ho ra uni Magar haru thiyo vanne pani sunnin x. Tara uni Magar nai thiyo vanne chai maile confirm garna sakdina.

    Ani mero euta prasana bheda khane kura ta sahi ho. Tara Ghale bhane paxi actually hajur kun jat ma parnu hunx, ali samjhai dinu hun x ki.

    Thank you.

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  4. bro dont say we r chinese dose yr skin color match with Chinese dose yr culture match with chinese n is there any caste called magar in china .. we magar r south east Asian from myanmmar thai I have also researched it just dont act magar chinese they r no chinese n they never will .be because magar skin color r brown n many are black also .so dont say yourself

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    1. not all magars are dark skinned I am magar and I have very pale skin some of my friends who are also magars have pale skin tone and look similar to Chinese.Magars are Nepali but you don’t have to say magars are dark skinned and black.

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    2. Bro there is DNA report uploaded by Thapa Magars in YouTube. Both of them have D-M174 Y-Chromosome, which is predominately found in Tibetan and Japanese population. D haplogroup is found in Japanese Royal family.. This Chromosome carriers are also found in Southern Chinese, Northern Burmese. Though lots of Magars are intermixed with other local populations, their Y-Chromosome suggest that they are related to North East Asians rather than South East Asians.

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    3. Kham Bhasi Magars of Rukum and Rolpa have well preserved their genetics, Culture, tradition and languages. Kham Magars are pure East Asian looking people, they have fair and pale skin. Dhiraj Magar is from Taksera Rukum, Kham Magar origin.look at Kham Magars of Rukum. https://youtu.be/hp3GqPRMpUM

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    4. Im in nepal right now, i come from indonesia, a lot of people say i looks like mangar/mongars, and yea its correct we all come from east asia, myself have a root in east asia, and many ppl refers me to mongar, wtf hahahaha

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    5. Magars / Mangars and East Asian have many common genes as shown in genetic studies. It even shows that it is mix of the ancestor one came from Northen side that is Tibet / China with the other one came from Eastern side that is Burma and East Asia.

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  5. Hi There, thank you for reading the article & thank you for taking your time to comment on it.

    Ok. Now, regarding Chinese part, first I am not saying we are Chinese, I am trying to go as deep as possible to find out our origin.

    Here your point could be right but if If I am not wrong those South Asian people too may have migrated from China at some point of time. Or, your point can only be technically correct if it's the other way round like Han people of China actually migrated from South east Asian to China mainland. But this possibility seems to be rare.

    Hope your getting my point. It's like you right that we are technically belongs to indo-burman stock, but if you go further, didn't this group belongs to more bigger group like Han Chinese.

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  6. Dear Readers, I would request you all to also, read my "Origin of Magars of Nepal" part IV & V, then you guys have more clear picture of it. Thanks.

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  8. I am a western kham Magar...and I found some similar word of kham magars with han Chinese like..
    Chinese people call .. dream:- mengxiang or meng.....and kham magars also called dream to meng...

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  9. Yes, this only shows our connection with Han Chinese. Thanks for your comment.

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